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Quick Heroes thoughts on timelines and changing them

May 1st, 2007 (11:54 am)

Okay, so Claire was already alive in this future. Which means one of two things happened when Future!Hiro went back in time to the subway.

1) She died in the original timeline, killed by Sylar at Homecoming. No-one knew, no-one stopped it happening. Sylar took her powers, (probably) took RadioacTed's powers and blew up New York. Hiro tried to stop him by killing him, but Sylar regenerated and blew up anyhow.
Future!Hiro was desperate to stop this and worked out that Claire was the key to Sylar's powers surviving, and traveled back to get Peter to stop it from happening. This DID change the timeline, and Claire lived. Bennett hid her, Peter then blew up New York and the rest of this episode falls into place.

2) Nothing changed. Because of the warning from Future!Hiro, Claire survived and Bennett hid her anyway. Future!Hiro never realised that she survived, or that it was Peter who blew up New York. He traveled back anyway to change it, but everything happened the way it was supposed to anyhow.

So, after twenty episodes, I'm still not sure if Hiro's time travels can actually change anything major. He made minor changes to what happened to Charlie, but that all still happened more or less the same way.

But wow - amazing episode, and I really, really should have seen the Sylar reveal coming. Looks like Bennett in the future did turn over DL and Candace to the authorities, otherwise Sylar wouldn't have had their powers. Does explain another reason why Bennett wouldn't/couldn't help Hiro. And Future!Evil!Matt was excellent. Mohinder continues his looooong tradition of being fooled by evil people and not managing to go through an episode without mentioning his father.

Excellent ep.


Posted by: Jason Grey (foenix)
Posted at: May 1st, 2007 11:49 am (UTC)

#2 can be ruled right out.

Future Hiro asks Hiro Prime if Claire was saved. Older Hiro doesn't know, but younger one does, so there is a change in there. Future Hiro comes from a time where he didn't know Claire survived, or she didn't survive.

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: May 1st, 2007 09:49 pm (UTC)

Interesting. When did our Hiro find that out? Because he was convinced back around ep 10 or so that Jackie was the dead cheerleader he was meant to save and he'd failed there as well.

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: May 1st, 2007 02:04 pm (UTC)
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Mohinder totally loses at reading people. And Future!Matt was NOT evil..just very misguided. *cuddles Matt*

And wow - not even getting into circular time-travel, time-line alterations argument with you. But yeah - I can't manage to come to a conclusion on the change/no change issue.


Oh and miss you! *hug* Hope things are looking a bit brighter.

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: May 1st, 2007 09:55 pm (UTC)
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I like Matt too - twas just a nice shorthand way of referring to him as Evil. And he did blow Bennett's head off...

I love time travel stuff. Always have, always will, so temporal physics stuff is always fascinating to me. And it bugs me that I can't figure out which system they're using yet.

*hugs* Not sure whether things are brighter or not actually. Is confuzzling.

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Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: May 1st, 2007 09:59 pm (UTC)

Thinking about it, FutureHiro actually stabbed Sylar with his sword, and Sylar regenerated from that. So, the time travel DID change the past.

Or maybe not. My head hurts and I am this show's bitch.

Posted by: McQuinn (liz_will_ow)
Posted at: May 1st, 2007 08:41 pm (UTC)

I still do not understand how Future!Peter has a scar. If Claire is saved, doesn't that mean that Peter has the power to regenerate, since he's the one who saved her? I don't get it. Bah.

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: May 1st, 2007 10:02 pm (UTC)

Two options as far as I can see.

a) This Peter is from a timeline where he never met/saved Claire, so never got the healing ability. Claire was killed by Sylar, but regenerated from the dead after that and was hidden by Bennett.

b) Something WAY powerful hits Peter in the face, and not even the healing factor can completely bring him back to normal.

Posted by: Lea (lea_hazel)
Posted at: May 2nd, 2007 08:11 pm (UTC)

He could have been injured within proximity of the Haitian, which would have prevented him from healing fast enough. Or else he just doesn't have good enough control of his powers, yet, as evidenced by the kabloowie.

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: May 2nd, 2007 08:18 pm (UTC)

I still prefer the psychological guilt theory myself - he's not letting himself heal completely because of guilt from blowing up New York.

Posted by: Lea (lea_hazel)
Posted at: May 3rd, 2007 05:49 pm (UTC)

Is this the male equivalent of Dying of Grief?

Posted by: McQuinn (liz_will_ow)
Posted at: May 2nd, 2007 11:31 pm (UTC)

The Haitian theory is brilliant. :O

Posted by: Lea (lea_hazel)
Posted at: May 3rd, 2007 05:46 pm (UTC)

My brother thought of it, and it also showed up on Peter David's blog. It didn't occur to me -- although I did think that Peter could sacrifice himself to kill Sylar if he flew them out to the middle of the desert and went nuclear.

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