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British passports

September 21st, 2005 (05:14 pm)
anxious

current mood: anxious

I keep hearing all these tales of people going into the passport office in person, and getting their passports sorted out within that day, while they're there. Would anyone happen to know just how long the process would take for a first time passport, of someone who's been residing in Britain for the last 25 years minimum?

Yes, the Canadian Consulate in London is being a trifle awkward with getting my passport renewed. At the moment, I'm just looking into this possibility, as I'm meant to be flying out in 10 days or so. Would anyone know anything, or be able to direct me to any worthwhile links?

Thanks very much.

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Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 10:44 am (UTC)
EmpressVes - All Hail [angelsk]

Have poked the amazingly brilliant people on my flist for help as well.

A few things I thought of:

* Yes, I would totally ride the Candian Consulate like a pony. Call and make sure they got it tomorrow. Call for updates daily until they give you your passport just to get you to shut up.

* Perhaps a UK passport would be easiest. I am assuming you have dual citizenship because I don't think they will fork one over otherwise.

* And in perhaps the most important bit of advice - CALL your travel agent and see what the options/fees are for changing your tickets. You do have a big window there and better to come over early week one instead of Sat. than not at all. It would screw up the NC jaunt but that can be mostly worked around.

Not coming up with anything else at the moment. Drat. I am normally better at this. Let me know if I can do anything. :)

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 11:05 am (UTC)

*beats head on desk*

You owe HJ. You owe HJ big time.

From The US Customs and Border Protection Website:

Documentary Requirements for Canadian and Mexican Residents

Entry of Citizens of Canada
Citizens of Canada are exempt from the visa and passport requirement of Immigration and Nationality Act (section 212(a)(7).) To enter the United States, a Canadian citizen must be able to establish both identity and citizenship. Documents that may establish citizenship are:


Birth certificate
Citizenship certificate
Passport.
Although a CBP officer may accept an oral declaration of citizenship, it is recommended that a Canadian citizen carry a document that establishes citizenship. Under current procedures, all travelers may be required to present photo-identification.


NOTE: A Canadian citizen arriving from outside the Western Hemisphere is required to present a passport. Canadian citizens classified as Treaty Trader, Treaty Investor, or Fiancé(e) require a visa.



ASK the Cosulate about this. However, for the identity thing...you might have to get an offical photo ID. No clue how you do that. We can get ours through driver's license bureaus.

I am an idiot for not thinking of this before. Also, trying to catch up with my mother - who knows everything, about everything. She might have some ideas.

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 11:22 am (UTC)

Also, your busybody overinvolved girlfriend just called the Canadian Consulate in Miami and left a message specifically asking..."If a Canadian citizen is entering the US via UK, do they need a passport or just the proof of citizenship".


ETA: Wow. They called back while I was typing. She said the passport is ideal. In that tone that meant "Get a passport". She did bring up the interesting question - how are you going to re-enter the UK. You have your residency documents? Because you might need those on the other side.

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 11:27 am (UTC)

And you know, if I had half a brain I would have figured out Europe is in the Eastern Hemishpere...*sigh*. Wonder if you can find a way to enter the US via Canada? That seems more trouble than just getting the freaking passport.

Posted by: tweedisgood (tweedisgood)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 12:05 pm (UTC)
sorry, corrected for error

Is England in the Eastern Hemisphere? I would have said not, on the grounds that the Meridian runs through London...

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 12:07 pm (UTC)
Re: sorry, corrected for error
Faith - Bored (mine)

I had to look it. Traditionally, NO England is not in the Western Hemisphere.

Obviously this isn't one of those facts that is at all pertinent to my daily life. :D

And thanks for the info!!

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 12:09 pm (UTC)
Re: sorry, corrected for error

Or should I say, it isn't the way US Cutoms and Border Patrol is using it. *shrug*

Posted by: tweedisgood (tweedisgood)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 01:44 pm (UTC)
kink

Strange....

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 02:42 pm (UTC)
Re: sorry, corrected for error

Well, to be absolutely technical, would it therefore be in both?

Posted by: tweedisgood (tweedisgood)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 11:44 pm (UTC)
Re: sorry, corrected for error
rightwordswhitestar

That's a good point :-) Where I live, we are pretty much on the Meridian, so I guess that makes me well-travelled!

But from what Ves says, the US takes the view that it is the centre of the Universe, Meridian be damned...

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 22nd, 2005 10:17 am (UTC)
Re: sorry, corrected for error
Disney - Puppet Ali [peaces_icons]

But from what Ves says, the US takes the view that it is the centre of the Universe, Meridian be damned...

*sticks tongue out*

Or, you know, it could be that for the purposes of, you know, legally entering the US they want something a little more precise than an atlas...

"You say your flight out of London used Runway B? Well, that is the westernmost runway..so I GUESS you are coming from the Western Hemisphere...."

*playful nudge*

Posted by: tweedisgood (tweedisgood)
Posted at: September 22nd, 2005 03:17 pm (UTC)



Well, if we're really going to get pedantic (and since this is me, I think it can be pretty much guaranteed...:-)) ALL of Heathrow Airport is West of the Meridian.

*Sticks tongue out further*

:-D

P.S. Surely Latitude and Longitude doesn't GET much more precise?

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 22nd, 2005 04:05 pm (UTC)

Ah yes, but what of Gatwick?

Posted by: tweedisgood (tweedisgood)
Posted at: September 22nd, 2005 04:37 pm (UTC)
madebycincodemaygirl

*Checks*

That, too. Just.

;-)

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 23rd, 2005 05:29 am (UTC)
Giles - Smart IS Sexy [literati]

Blah blah blah - you know everything. *crosses eyes at you*

But gee are you a cute rocket scientist! :P

Posted by: tweedisgood (tweedisgood)
Posted at: September 23rd, 2005 02:59 pm (UTC)

I know sod-all about rocket science, but *preens*

:-))))

Posted by: tweedisgood (tweedisgood)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 12:01 pm (UTC)

You can do it if you are a UK citizen or maybe have dual nationality: don;t know if you do. Canadian passport matters are, I suspect,indeed subject to the whims of your Consulate. Sorry not to be more helpful. do you have the web address of the UK Passport service? If not it'shttp://www.ukpa.gov.uk/_3_urgent/3_contents.asp

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 02:11 pm (UTC)
Head-desky [lurker32]

Well, thought I had dual nationality. My parents assure me however that I do not, and never did. Bugger.

Thanks for the link.

Posted by: tweedisgood (tweedisgood)
Posted at: September 21st, 2005 02:29 pm (UTC)
gilesduster

Drat. Hope you get it sorted out anyhow...

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 22nd, 2005 10:18 am (UTC)

Updates for today:

From norwegianne

There's probably special rules for Commonwealth citizens in the UK. Wikipedia: Some Commonwealth countries give Commonwealth citizens privileges that are not accorded to aliens: for example, in the United Kingdom, the right to vote is given to all Commonwealth citizens resident in that country. This is reciprocated mainly in the Commonwealth Caribbean, even to the point where in some of the countries resident Commonwealth citizens may even be elected or appointed to the national legislature. However, these privileges are largely not on a reciprocal basis, and it is up to each country to decide what privileges it accords to Commonwealth citizenship, with the exception of the Commonwealth Scholarship. Other privileges that the United Kingdom grants Commonwealth citizens include access to the National Health Service or NHS (where reciprocal agreements exist) and the right of all Commonwealth citizens to obtain a working holidaymaker visa. Some of the privileges offered by the individual countries have eroded over the last few decades, although most countries continue to afford special treatment in the area of immigration (e.g. right of abode in UK for some) and visas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Commonwealth

Everything will probably work out just fine.


From Tweed:

Information on British Citizenship here: http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/en/home/applying/british_nationality/advice_about_nationality/bn1_-_british_citizenship.html

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 22nd, 2005 10:31 am (UTC)

So...your Mom has always been a British citizen??

This link:http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/en/home/applying/british_nationality/advice_about_nationality/b13_-_british_citizenship.html?

Says to me that you are entitled to be granted British citizenship no matter where you were born. However, this might be a time consuming process. It's almost automatic - but you have to fill out a form.

Other random thought I had today:

- Call the CAB or the Home Office and just ask.

"I was born in Canada. My mother is a British citizen and we emmigrated to UK in X year. I have been in residence in the UK since this time. I have maintained my Candian citizenship all this time and hold a Canadian passport. I am going on vacation to the States and wanted to know - what paperwork or documentation will I have to present to re-enter the UK."

Easy peasy. :D

At least then we know WHAT we are looking for. :) Actually, I wonder...

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 22nd, 2005 10:50 am (UTC)
EmpressVesSparkly [jennymalfoy]

Not sure it will do a damned thing, but I wrote a general inquiry (no names) to the Immigration & Nationality Directorate asking specifically what documentation you need to present to re-enter the UK.

*shrug* Seemed worth a try. :D

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: September 22nd, 2005 10:52 am (UTC)

Also, not that I think it will matter one bit - but I found out there is a British Consulate in Orlando. Odd.

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