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March 26th, 2008 (08:54 pm)

The _allecto_ wank over Firefly continues to roll ever onwards. You know the one by now - the one where she ends up claiming Joss Whedon rapes his wife.

As I predicted in whiskyinmind's wonderful rebuttal post this morning, it's just hit Fandom_Wank. And Clairvoyantwank.

*shakes head* In. Sane.

Edit :

Actual quotes from _allecto_.

1) "I’m not sure that I will recover from the shock of watching the malicious way in which Joss stripped his female characters of their integrity, the pleasure he seemed to take from showing potentially powerful women bashed, the way he gleefully demonized female power and selfhood and smashed women into little bits, male fists in women’s faces, male voices drowning out our words."

2) "What the ____ is this feminist man trying to say about women here? A black woman calling a white man ‘sir’. A white male captain who abuses and silences his female crew, with no consequences. The women are HAPPY to be abused. They enjoy it. What does this say about women, Joss? What does this say about you? Do you tell your wife to shut up? Do you threaten to duct tape her mouth? Lock her in the bedroom? Is this funny to you, Joss? Because it sure as ____ ain’t funny to me."

3) "I feel awful for Joss Whedon's wife. From what I've read about him and the interviews I've watched, I'm fairly certain that he rapes his wife and abuses her in various other ways. I honestly can't think of anything worse than living with a man like Joss who thinks of women like the way he portrays in his tv shows. How awful. The comment about the money was meant to be about how I personally could see no benefit from being with a man like Joss OTHER than money. Joss uses and abuses her. Probably rapes her and thinks of women as whores etc, etc. Obviously, Ms Whedon has her own reasons for staying. Fear, patriarchal concepts of love, etc. But I would argue that she gives everything and gets nothing. Money is the only concrete thing that she could possibly gain. But as I said money is worth nothing compared with self-integrity, self-esteem, love (sister/lesbian/gynaffectionate love) etc. So she still loses out. Poor woman.

4) "I believe in the radical feminist definition of rape. That is that men who pressure women into sex are rapists. That women who are pressured are not freely consenting and are therefore being raped. There have been a few discussions recently in the rad fem blogosphere debating whether all male initiated sex is rape, given that women are politically, socially and economically subordinate to men. So, in my understanding of Joss Whedon as a rapist is hinges on my definition of rape. I would argue that most 'sex' between men and women, in the contemporary 'sex-positive', pornographic, male-supremacist culture, is rape.

So, I think Joss Whedon is a rapist because it is impossible for me to believe that a man who produces a show like Firefly, a man who openly objectifies women in his interviews, a man who based the character of Xander Harris (a pro-porn, sex-obsessed teenage male in Buffy) it is imposible for me to believe that this man does not pressure his wife for sex. If he has pressured his wife for sex even if she eventually consented he is still a rapist. I know far too many women who have been, and are being, forced, coerced, manipulated, pressured into sex that they do not want with their male partners. I'd bet anything that Joss is one of these men. And if he is then he is a rapist in my books."

Comments

Posted by: Mhalachai (mhalachaiswords)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
BtVS Send Willow Aspirn (nirvanadonna)

I cannot speak over the din of the stupid. Seriously.

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 09:09 pm (UTC)
Head-desky [lurker32]

Believe it or not - it gets worse.

Posted by: Mhalachai (mhalachaiswords)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
!Profiler Panther (mhalachaiswords)

I've read more now, and I cannot comprehend why she lit into Joss Whedon of all people. In my view, his works are some of the most pro-female empowered ever to be aired on english-language television. In Firefly, it's the women who save the day.

Anyway, the rage, it grows, so I'm going to go write some women-oppressing Dr. Who foursome smut. Gah.

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 09:24 pm (UTC)
DW Tardis Love Shack

..... DW foursome smut?

*cogs turn*

I'm gonna go find you LOADS more links then!!!!!! ;)

Posted by: Mhalachai (mhalachaiswords)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 09:31 pm (UTC)
TW Gwen Oh Noes! (nomorewolfie)

Well, DW and Torchwood. Someone asked for some Gwen/Rose/Jack and I turned it up to be Gwen/Rose/Jack/Doctor, because everything's better with the Doctor. That poor boy needs some lovin'.

Posted by: Brendan (brendanm720)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 09:38 pm (UTC)
Roasting Marshmallows

Um...

Okay, then.

You go right on ahead there, sweetie.

[pats cheek]

~#~#~#~

I dare say that if Joss Whedon is as big of a prick as she (I assume that this idiot is a she) thinks he is, she's going to have a cease and desist in the very least, and a libel charge at the most.

Of course, I'm pretty sure that he's not, and as for his wife... Unless this dipshit is actually in the bedroom, how can she be sure of anything?

Posted by: JG (jgracio)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 10:49 pm (UTC)
Angelmobile

What she's actually saying in English I think, is that she believes Joss Whedon initiates sex with his wife, and that's rape in her language.

I doubt a defense of "My definition of the word is not the same definition of anyone else" would work in court though, but I'm not a lawyer.

Posted by: Brendan (brendanm720)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 11:28 pm (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right about it holding up in court.

However, regarding Mrs. Whedon... what I was obliquely trying to get at is this: Joss has a thing for strong women. How do we know he initiates anything in the bedroom?

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
Ciao_spike_and_dru

Well they say write what you know....

Posted by: Brendan (brendanm720)
Posted at: March 27th, 2008 02:48 am (UTC)
Brendan and Molly Malone

Exactly my point.

Posted by: JG (jgracio)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
Angelmobile

We don't, and I'll be happy to remain that way. :D

But look, one should not let absence of facts stand in the way of a crazy rant, otherwise, it wouldn't be crazy, right?

Posted by: Brendan (brendanm720)
Posted at: March 27th, 2008 02:49 am (UTC)
Douglas Adams - Refuse to Answer

We don't, and I'll be happy to remain that way.

[snerk]

But look, one should not let absence of facts stand in the way of a crazy rant, otherwise, it wouldn't be crazy, right?

Facts?

What are those?

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)

Which to me, cheapens the word 'rape'. Which is probably what infuriates me the most out of the whole thing.

Posted by: JG (jgracio)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 11:48 pm (UTC)
WKA

Yeah, I'd guess someone who's really been abused would object to "But he like, asked for sex! Twice!" as the definition of rape.

Posted by: Spectacularly Adequate Empress (empressvesica)
Posted at: March 27th, 2008 02:11 am (UTC)

Yeah, that would be the part where my stomach turned over.

This is beyond disgusting...seriously. I....ugh. Just ugh.

Posted by: Brendan (brendanm720)
Posted at: March 27th, 2008 02:51 am (UTC)
Venture Brothers - Poe Headlock

I have to say that when I read that I thought to myself, "Well... She's never been raped, then."

Posted by: curiouswombat (curiouswombat)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 10:45 pm (UTC)
saner emu

Good Grief!

As for point 4 - presumably as I earn slightly more than S2C if I initiate sex this is also rape?

I have to resist the urge to go and look at any more - although I gather from someone else's journal that she just deletes comments that she doesn't like anyway.

Posted by: JG (jgracio)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 10:53 pm (UTC)
Geek

Well... no. Because if you initiate sex then it's because you've been influenced by the patriarchy into thinking that's what you wanted to do.

For what I've seen in other journals, if you want to post something she'll disagree with, it's better if you post it in your own journal.

Posted by: curiouswombat (curiouswombat)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 11:29 pm (UTC)
GrannyW

then it's because you've been influenced by the patriarchy into thinking that's what you wanted to do.


Ah yes - of course! I should have guessed!

My mind just doesn't work in the 'right' way - I think it comes from being from a strong matriarchy!

Posted by: JG (jgracio)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
BX by dothestarswyou

At the end of the day... if you go look for something in a work of art, and you look hard enough, you'll find it.

For the rest, people is crazy. I could believe she's a troll, trying to gain attention, but I doubt it.

Posted by: Sentimental yet sardonic (booster17)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 11:34 pm (UTC)
Wes Insanity

Precisely - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, Mr Freud.

Posted by: Charlotte (dharkapparition)
Posted at: March 26th, 2008 11:03 pm (UTC)
Laugh

What a sad, sad person.

Posted by: gianna24 (gianna24)
Posted at: March 27th, 2008 01:36 am (UTC)

Oh, EW!!!!! What a crazy freak. Some people need restraining orders from the internet.

Posted by: Saturn Girl (saturn_girl)
Posted at: March 27th, 2008 03:00 am (UTC)

Sounds like a wank bait-y hoax to me. No one is guaranteed to bring the frothy ire like Buffy fen.

Posted by: echo (spankerella)
Posted at: March 27th, 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)
joss whedon master

Wow. Somebody got up and had them a HEAPING bowl of crazy flakes.

Posted by: Hyacinth Girl (eustacia_vye28)
Posted at: March 27th, 2008 08:10 pm (UTC)
Inside Danny not believing

Here via empressvesica's post, because yes, I was living under a proverbial rock. *waves*

Jeez. I go from work wank to Crazy!Batshit!Insane!wank. Dear god, the crazy. This woman (I can't see a man ever getting away with that shit on the net) needs to work with ppl that truly have issues and get some meds NOW.

My head is hurty now.

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Posted by: Princess Robot Bubblegum! (astrothsknot)
Posted at: March 28th, 2008 12:07 am (UTC)
*facepalm*

As I said in my blog, I love how simultaneously Mrs Whedon is both a rape victim and whore. I wonder if she knows.

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